1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by SWANTECH » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:12 pm

Kramers wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:53 pm
jsm610 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:18 pmAnd the weird pickups, which I've never been able to find.
Have a picture of the back of them by chance? The folks here have seen a lot of pickups!

Myself, I'm wondering if the gold covers are aftermarket or not. scratch_head
Even better would be to try and take the covers off. Who knows they may not even be soldered to the base plate. You can learn a few things by seeing the back of the pickup. Even if they have no I.D..
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:23 pm

SWANTECH wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:12 pm Even better would be to try and take the covers off. Who knows they may not even be soldered to the base plate. You can learn a few things by seeing the back of the pickup. Even if they have no I.D..
I'll pull them off and look, I don't remember them having any markings but it's been a while.

Ignorant q:
Who used that '3 on a side screw height adjustment' mount other than Seymour Duncan as on the TB-4? I've not seen it on EMG or DiMarzio or other brands I can think of from that era that were popular. And i've never come across that '4 on a side' screw pattern on the surrounds - does that give any clue...

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by Kramers » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:31 pm

jsm610 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:23 pmWho used that '3 on a side screw height adjustment' mount other than Seymour Duncan as on the TB-4? I've not seen it on EMG or DiMarzio or other brands I can think of from that era that were popular.
I can only think of Schaller (stock on US Kramers before Duncans) off hand, though hopefully someone else will chime in.
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by _xxx_ » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:32 pm

Schaller used such pickup rings for example, on older Kramers. Though those had three holes per side. Carvin had some with two holes per side, but they look different.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:51 pm

_xxx_ wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:32 pm Schaller used such pickup rings for example, on older Kramers. Though those had three holes per side. Carvin had some with two holes per side, but they look different.
Ok - so these are the same surrounds I think? Are they Schaller surrounds or a Kramer thing?
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by _xxx_ » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:20 pm

Schaller and used by Kramer, but as said not the same, they have the third hole in the middle as well on each side.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:47 pm

_xxx_ wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:20 pm Schaller and used by Kramer, but as said not the same, they have the third hole in the middle as well on each side.
ah ok - I see it now. 5 holes per side vs 4 holes per side. Zoom helps, my bad...

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:06 pm

Kramers wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:31 pm
jsm610 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:23 pmWho used that '3 on a side screw height adjustment' mount other than Seymour Duncan as on the TB-4? I've not seen it on EMG or DiMarzio or other brands I can think of from that era that were popular.
I can only think of Schaller (stock on US Kramers before Duncans) off hand, though hopefully someone else will chime in.
After a lot of googling:
- Pickup Wire Colors Cross Reference Chart shows the brown/white/yellow/green was either Schaller or Shadow
- Black lead wrap looks like every other Schaller I could find...
- Covers look like something Schaller doens't make any more but did...
- no luck on finding the surrounds...

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by ShredIsLife » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:12 am

jsm610 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:03 pm
I would kinda expect gold hardware. shrug
B plate sounds like a JDM.
Black hardware was an option on blue candy per the literature...

I'm assuming JDM = Japanese Domestic Market? Would a Japan guitar have the 'Kramer American' on the headstock and 'Made in USA' on the neck plate? #newbie. :)
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by Takemebackto84 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:15 pm

Guessing you need x3 of these .. is 1/2" is the stock height rather than an oddity.

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