1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by 80sChris » Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:56 pm

There's flat stamped B plates (which would be around 1983) and cast B plates which were used on the Japanese made Focus models (F1000, F3000 etc) this is when US guitars mostly had cast E and F plates.

The Japanese market did have some "American" models available and I think that included the Sambora. I'd expect to see an ebony fretboard on a US market Sambora and a rosewood fretboard on a Japanese market version.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pm

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80sChris wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:56 pm There's flat stamped B plates (which would be around 1983) and cast B plates which were used on the Japanese made Focus models (F1000, F3000 etc) this is when US guitars mostly had cast E and F plates.
It has a flat stamped plate.
80sChris wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:56 pm The Japanese market did have some "American" models available and I think that included the Sambora. I'd expect to see an ebony fretboard on a US market Sambora and a rosewood fretboard on a Japanese market version.
Kramers wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:07 pm The Floyd Rose "Original" might suggest this as well me thinks?

Ignorant question on my part -> is the Kramer literature not something to go by?

IE:
- US lists an Original FR + Rosewood board as the spec.
- Japan doesn't list blue as an option.
Takemebackto84 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:45 pmI'd say its potentially firesale NOS parts which explains the old plate and missing thing tree drill holes.
This makes sense, are there any other things to check to confirm this? IDK much about that sale - assume they blew stuff out when they were going under...


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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by Kramers » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:07 pm

jsm610 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pmIgnorant question on my part -> is the Kramer literature not something to go by?

IE:
- US lists an Original FR
Fine question! :thumbs

Yes, the FR should be Original (OFR), but most Kramers during this era didn't have "original" stamped under the FR logo. Most of these were found later on other brands or aftermarket because Kramer presumably still had many of the old ones, especially in black. Not saying that this is proof that yours was made from fire sale parts, but it would lend to the theory.

Thread on the "original" stamp.
https://kramerforumz.com/viewtopic.php?t=6478&start=10

In this thread D posted a sweet tele with a gold "original" stamped Floyd with serial F4XXX, but my F8XXX sustainer with black hardware does not have the "original" stamp for example.

My F-6000s which both had B20k+ cast plates were also missing the "original" stamp with their black OFR's, for whatever it's worth.
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by sixstring » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:20 pm

jsm610 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pm
Ignorant question on my part -> is the Kramer literature not something to go by?
It's a good guide but all after the fact. There were no records kept as units were assembled.
Variations are found across the board.
But let's face it, someone buys a Kramer b/c it has a Floyd.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by jsm610 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:28 pm

sixstring wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:20 pm
jsm610 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pm
Ignorant question on my part -> is the Kramer literature not something to go by?
It's a good guide but all after the fact. There were no records kept as units were assembled.
Variations are found across the board.
Ok good to know ty! Anyone have a link to a photo of a RS w/ an ebony board? My searching is only finding rosewood...

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by _xxx_ » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:42 pm

Whatever it is, it's a damn sexy guitar :hit In my eyes it's legit, since all they did in the factory with these was assembly and setup anyway. Only the pickups are off, but if they're good, it's all good.

Japanese were alder body, while US were I think maple? Or poplar? Anyway, look into the neck pocket, that should help regarding the origin of the body. The red alder used in Japan models is easy to spot, maple and poplar are both yellow-ish and have different grain. I assume it's all "US" parts, probably from the firesale.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by SWANTECH » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:00 pm

_xxx_ wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:42 pm Whatever it is, it's a damn sexy guitar :hit In my eyes it's legit, since all they did in the factory with these was assembly and setup anyway. Only the pickups are off, but if they're good, it's all good.

Japanese were alder body, while US were I think maple? Or poplar? Anyway, look into the neck pocket, that should help regarding the origin of the body. The red alder used in Japan models is easy to spot, maple and poplar are both yellow-ish and have different grain. I assume it's all "US" parts, probably from the firesale.
George Felise would disagree. Since he painted a lot of the guitars accept the Stagemasters. If I recall correctly.
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by _xxx_ » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:11 pm

Disagree with what exactly? Maybe they also finished them in the US, but the pre-made parts came from ESP is what I meant. Not like the times when Unk and guys built the custom one-offs etc., these were series guitars.

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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by SWANTECH » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:15 pm

_xxx_ wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:11 pm Disagree with what exactly?
The American series guitar bodies were painted in NJ by George. Then assembled. The exception was the neck through body guitars came painted from Japan.
They were not just assembled and set up.
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Re: 1983 Kramer with Star Inlays

Post by _xxx_ » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:18 pm

Well it looks like it was painted in the US then, even better :thumbs

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