Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

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Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by SuburbanMe » Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:39 pm

Hi all,
Just joined up on the forum as I have inherited 2 Kramers (A Striker 200ST and an Unknown).
The pics attached show both guitars, it's the Red one I'm interested in getting Info on.
It has a serial Number with an SF prefix, it has a curved top (Solid wood - not Ply - show in one of the Pics), HSS, Floyd Pro and currently has a WD neck on it, as the original neck (Also pictured) had some fret work done and I need to get it fretted. The pickups are 3rd party ones with the Shadow pickup in the bridge (It's got F-all output).

I really hope you guys can help me out.

Thanks,
Luke.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by SuburbanMe » Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:12 am

I think it maybe a 620.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by SuburbanMe » Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:45 am

Actually, I think it may be a 612 - I just found an old ad for a 612and it had the SF serial number like mine.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by leftykramerguy » Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:08 am

Good morning and welcome! The one on the left is a Striker. I do not think the one on the right is a Kramer. What neck plate is on the blue one? Thanks!
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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by Dirty D » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:01 pm

Agreed the blue one on left is a striker or maybe the 210 (same guitar).
I agree with you the red one is probably a 612. That might be a worthy guitar to try and get it playable again if you can do that for a couple hundred bucks or so, although I probably wouldn't invest any more than that in it. One potential barrier is that your Floyd Pro appears pretty beat, and that is the first gen version made by APMW (American Precision Metal Works aka Kahler). You will not find replacement parts for that, and it's incompatible with any other type of Floyd. If it were mine and needed to be replaced, I'd probably trash it and install a new 1000-series Floyd Pro, which should be readily available. If you can clean up that Floyd and get it playable as it is, then you might have a good cost-effective project. If the Floyd needs to be replaced, then I'm not sure your project is going to pencil out expense, but maybe it would if you can refret that neck yourself.
Cool potential project though - you don't see many of those.
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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by 80sChris » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:30 pm

I'm thinking 620. Worth saving with the Floyd Rose Pro.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by _xxx_ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:22 pm

612 and 620 looked pretty identical, could be either.

Those had better woods than Strikers etc. so not "junk" guitars and worth saving if it doesn't cost too much. Pity the headstock tip got chopped off.

I'd just remove the finish from the body and leave it natural/oiled, since a refin alone will break the budget. The trem can probably be saved, our SWANTECH had some threads about rust removal tricks and such, should be doable if the knife edges are not too worn. The original pickups were junk, so no need to restore those, just use what you like. The headstock tip can be repaired but that is also a bit costly compared to the guitar's value. Basically a budget of say 300 is within reason, more than that makes little sense regarding resale value etc.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by sixstring » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:52 pm

612 has the angled bridge pup where the 620 doesn't.
Should get the kramer neck fretted & set up & slap it back on. :bananahead
But let's face it, someone buys a Kramer b/c it has a Floyd.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by _xxx_ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:01 pm

Ahh, just noticed that neck now... is that the original neck? Doesn't look bad if you can get a refret for cheap or do it yourself, makes the restoration much more promising.

It won't have much value, but with decent pickups that will be a nice sounding and playing guitar.

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Re: Help IDing 2 inherited Kramers.

Post by 80sChris » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:37 pm

sixstring wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:52 pm 612 has the angled bridge pup where the 620 doesn't.
Should get the kramer neck fretted & set up & slap it back on. :bananahead
I think it's more complicated than that and the last 620 was basically a renamed 612.

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