Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

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Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Takemebackto84 » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:33 pm

1983 Pacer Special - Rainbow
1984 Baretta White
1985 Baretta Cream
1985 Baretta Cream maple fretboard
1985 Baretta Black Custom Plate
1985 Baretta Cream Custom Plate w. added single pickup
1988 Baretta I Claw White
1988 Nightswan Blue Sparkle
1989 Ibanez Jem777DY Desert Sun Yellow
1989 Ibanez Jem77FP
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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by _xxx_ » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:20 pm

I'd definitely go with that Buddy Blaze axe for half as much shrug

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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by PacerMedic » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:05 pm

Who wants to buy some nobody's beat-up shit for 4x the original price? This bullshit ought to depreciate not go up. Too many fucking goobers paying for dumb shit. Can't wait for the market to normalize.
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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by AAEA » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:12 pm

PacerMedic wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:05 pm Who wants to buy some nobody's beat-up shit for 4x the original price? This bullshit ought to depreciate not go up. Too many fucking goobers paying for dumb shit. Can't wait for the market to normalize.
some goobers out there are paying for factory beat up guitars then crying when their R9 they had aged continues to age. lol

its a lot of hype but the original swans are pretty darn good. the more purple color lightening graphic would be the top dollar version.

are they worth the price? well for collecting yes but for playing... they do play really good but you could get a custom shop made to order for the prices of the old ones.

they are however worlds apart from the reissue... I hear issues with the reissues, frets popping up, not the same specs as the OG.. seems half assed.

if there was going to be a price crash for the swan it would have happened with the reissue but the reissue just wasn't good enough.

I think thats why the 83 is MIJ. they are trying to get a closer to original reissue and better build quality. but for reals, if this 83 reissue has the same sorta fret issues as the other Gibson-era kramers... won't do much but pop up like warts on guitar center used.
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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Takemebackto84 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:11 pm

Thought the neck looked odd where it meets the body scratch_head then went back to the site and read "Shims in the bass side of the neck pocket for proper string positioning".
So it has two shims to fix a neck alignment issue. Must hv been dropped down the stairs a few times shrug
1983 Pacer Special - Rainbow
1984 Baretta White
1985 Baretta Cream
1985 Baretta Cream maple fretboard
1985 Baretta Black Custom Plate
1985 Baretta Cream Custom Plate w. added single pickup
1988 Baretta I Claw White
1988 Nightswan Blue Sparkle
1989 Ibanez Jem777DY Desert Sun Yellow
1989 Ibanez Jem77FP
1991 Ibanez Jem777VBK
1992 EBMM EVH Trans Red
2007 Yamaha Pacifica 1511MS Mike Stern
2010 Jackson USA PC-1 Trans Red Flame
2012 Suhr Modern Koa Reb Beach Spec

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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Takemebackto84 » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:16 am

Another lightning is on eBay $8.5k and looks in poor shape :bong

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314929997897

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1983 Pacer Special - Rainbow
1984 Baretta White
1985 Baretta Cream
1985 Baretta Cream maple fretboard
1985 Baretta Black Custom Plate
1985 Baretta Cream Custom Plate w. added single pickup
1988 Baretta I Claw White
1988 Nightswan Blue Sparkle
1989 Ibanez Jem777DY Desert Sun Yellow
1989 Ibanez Jem77FP
1991 Ibanez Jem777VBK
1992 EBMM EVH Trans Red
2007 Yamaha Pacifica 1511MS Mike Stern
2010 Jackson USA PC-1 Trans Red Flame
2012 Suhr Modern Koa Reb Beach Spec

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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Tavo7782 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm

Just listed my light blue polka dot for 10k. I know its not going to get 10k but I have a buyer pending at a certain amount. May leave it on a day or so to see If I get higher offers.
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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by SWANTECH » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:00 pm

I guess my Duckling is worth a lot now. LOL. I don't think I have seen another more Reliced.
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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Takemebackto84 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:05 am

Tavo7782 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:53 pm Just listed my light blue polka dot for 10k. I know its not going to get 10k but I have a buyer pending at a certain amount. May leave it on a day or so to see If I get higher offers.
That's an absolute beauty drool
1983 Pacer Special - Rainbow
1984 Baretta White
1985 Baretta Cream
1985 Baretta Cream maple fretboard
1985 Baretta Black Custom Plate
1985 Baretta Cream Custom Plate w. added single pickup
1988 Baretta I Claw White
1988 Nightswan Blue Sparkle
1989 Ibanez Jem777DY Desert Sun Yellow
1989 Ibanez Jem77FP
1991 Ibanez Jem777VBK
1992 EBMM EVH Trans Red
2007 Yamaha Pacifica 1511MS Mike Stern
2010 Jackson USA PC-1 Trans Red Flame
2012 Suhr Modern Koa Reb Beach Spec

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Re: Lightning Nightswan - F Plate : Player Grade Condition

Post by Soulmagnet » Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:07 am

Yeah, fuck that. There's still somewhat reasonable deals out there but having just bought a dead mint lighting for 3500 with case candy, and a near mint purple sparkle for 2500, I am quite confident in saying there is no swan on the planet worth more (to me) than 3500 and that's even a stretch. Yes they're great guitars. Awesome guitars. Rare, yada yada. But There's no way anyone can convince me a bolt on guitar from the 80's cranked out in known to be shoddy shop where mutts were made, where there's no rhyme or reason for serial numbers, Jolanas, bad glue on a "No Bozo", a lot more headtock breaks than other guitars, should even be in the realm of 3500. The only reason I ponied up the extra 500 is because I was waiting for a mint one for 5 years.

I'm telling ya if we all stick together on these bullshit Kramer prices and just don't pay them, some seller might just wake the fuck up. Who knows? :rant
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