New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by Takemebackto84 » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:59 pm

Looks like someone tried to do the Steve Vai 'claw' recess while blasted out of their brain on drink and drugs :beer :bong
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by SWANTECH » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:24 pm

menace wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:45 am Sweetwater has a great return policy.......I would take advantage of that.
I could not agree more.

That is a problem waiting to happen.
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by AAEA » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:03 pm

the routing beavers in their indonesian factories must have been on strike
I own kramers :mrgreen

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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by _xxx_ » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 am

It looks bad but IMO should not affect the functionality. You can insert a thin wood block between the sustain block and the body, some double-sided sticky tape is sufficient to hold it in pace. You just need to get the thickness right so the baseplate is parallel to the strings, usually like 10 minutes of work to file it into shape.

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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by Sluggy » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:48 am

I just looked at my 84 I got last Christmas it has the exact same thing.

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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by VAiN » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:17 am

_xxx_ wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 am It looks bad but IMO should not affect the functionality. You can insert a thin wood block between the sustain block and the body, some double-sided sticky tape is sufficient to hold it in pace. You just need to get the thickness right so the baseplate is parallel to the strings, usually like 10 minutes of work to file it into shape.

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I had this done to my EVH Circles guitar and now it’s perfect. It came with the bridge angled back.
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by SWANTECH » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:18 pm

I think most people are missing the point of this thread.

The point of the thread as I understand it, is the extreme routing of the tremolo cavity.
The removal, and lack of wood in this are will make it very likely for the wood to crack and break between the hole for the tremolo block, post hole, and/or hum bucking pickup routing. Just like how the wood can crack between the pickup route and Floyd Rose post on a Kramer Pacer Deluxe, or even a Fender Strat.

I have seen this a lot on Fender Stratocaster style Squier guitars because the factory that makes the Squier guitars, (especially the guitars in the packs), tighten the tremolo spring claw all the way, and screw the tremolo plate screws down all the way. The first time a beginner tries to muscle the tremolo arm the arm either breaks, or the arm breaks and the wood blows out.

As for the FR tremolo plate being not level with the body. That has to do with tremolo spring tension and setting up a Floyd Rose correctly. Yes. The tremolo base plate of a FR should be parallel to the body. The solution is to tighten or loosed the tremolo claw until the string tension at the desired tuning, and trem spring tension reach a point of equilibrium. The result will be the best possible tuning stability for the tremolo. The return/zero point is supposed to be level. This is how it was designed, this is how it functions to the best of it's design. Other tremolo designs are different.
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by SWANTECH » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm

Alright I just re read the dang post.
Sorry, I miss understood. I don't understand people buying a Floyd Rose guitar and then blocking the tremolo. If they are setup correctly the function amazingly well.
If someone wants to make it dive only, then there are several other inventions on the market that do the same thing as that FU tone gadget.
Tremolo-NO, Tremsetter, or you can fab a piece of wood, plastic, whatever and stick it in there. If fabricating a block. I would use CA glue. With one small whack it would come off with ease if you ever wanted to remove it.

The routing would be my biggest concern.
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88 Nightswan Sparkle Blue
88 Nigthswan Bolt/Ugly Duckling rescue project
19 Nightswan Polka Dot reissue
86 Classic III Tele Cream
90 Classic II Tele Cream
90 ProAxe Std CR
89 Sustainer Holo
89 Sustainer Blk
86 Focus 1000 Blk (FS)
90's Spector SSD Blackhawk
89 Glide C2 Blk
8? Focus Classic Snbst
87 Monsters of Rock Baretta 2
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by SWANTECH » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:44 pm

I believe this routing was created to try and solve a problem.

This is what happens when the people building the guitars lack experience.

In my opinion. There are only a few reasons to route that tremolo cavity at that angle. Maybe because they had a batch of Floyd Rose Tremolo's that had the tremolo blocks put on backwards. When you have a tremolo block installed in the wrong direction. The tremolo springs will be positioned at a much steeper angle due to the angle of the spring mounting holes. Or perhaps they ordered the tremolo's with the incorrect block height. A smaller block could create a problem with the springs hitting the body when used. It just doesn't make sense to route this area to that extreme.
Also. Why would you do it now, and did not feel the need to in the past? It didn't seem to be a problem on the previous version of this model guitar. It wasn't a problem on the original guitar. At least the original guitars never needed this much relief carved out.

My opinion. Return it and buy an original.

It just doesn't make any sense to add this step in manufacturing unless it is needed. There is NO need to route this area like this. It is a waste of time.
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85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle Blue
88 Nigthswan Bolt/Ugly Duckling rescue project
19 Nightswan Polka Dot reissue
86 Classic III Tele Cream
90 Classic II Tele Cream
90 ProAxe Std CR
89 Sustainer Holo
89 Sustainer Blk
86 Focus 1000 Blk (FS)
90's Spector SSD Blackhawk
89 Glide C2 Blk
8? Focus Classic Snbst
87 Monsters of Rock Baretta 2
87 Pacer Cst 1 Relic
91 Baretta 3 Black Cherry
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89 Grace C1 Flip Flop Something
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Re: New '21 Kramer "The 84" Factory mutilated

Post by _xxx_ » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:56 pm

For a working musician on tour I agree of course, there you want everything to be as sturdy as possible. But for home use and occasional gig you don't really need CA glue, the sticky tape will hold forever since the trem block is pushing against it all the time. I have guitars where it's been inside for like 15 years and they're still fine.

The tape can be removed without a trace, worst case you'll use some WD40 or butter (no joke, regular butter) to remove the glue residue.

Regarding the topic, the reason for doing this to the body is usually if they used floyds with shorter block than intended for the guitar. If these were built with 42mm block trems in mind and the factory in Indonesia only had say 32 or 37mm version the given week, this would be the "quick hack" to make it work and keep the production running.

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