Possible early 5150 Production

Discussion about the identification of Kramer Guitars and Kramer history

User avatar
KickstartMyHeart
Kramer Kingpin
Posts: 5294
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:38 am

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by KickstartMyHeart » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:00 am

Ehm, first of all, welcome to KF and second there's not much Kramer here. If any at all. Cumbersome to get to the pics that way.

BTW, there's no 5150 Kramer production model. Ed assembled the guitar himself at the factory from a hand made Unkert neck and something resembling a Kramer Pacer Special (not a Baretta).

The only production model with a resemblance to the provenance of Ed's famous 5150 would the the "84" from MusicYo days or the revived "84" or "The 84" respectively depending on where and when they've been produced.
Practice cures most tone issues.


Image

User avatar
sixstring
Kramer Kingpin
Posts: 7536
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:34 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by sixstring » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:03 am

Welcome.

As stated, no Kramer pictured here. This is a parts replica. That Floyd costs more than the rest of it combined.

Hope you didn't pay a lot for it.
But let's face it, someone buys a Kramer b/c it has a Floyd.

User avatar
2112
Kramer Kommander
Posts: 1327
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:21 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by 2112 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:26 am

Can only verify that it is most likely not a Kramer. Nice Floyd.

User avatar
Takemebackto84
Kramer Maniac
Posts: 974
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:00 am

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by Takemebackto84 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:06 pm

The Floyd Rose isn't from Ed's Kramer era either. It's a much later model.
1984 Baretta - White - C Plate
1984/85 Baretta - Black - D Plate
1985 Baretta - Cream - D Plate
1985 Baretta - Black - Custom Plate
1988 Baretta I - Cream w. maple fretboard
1992 EBMM EVH Signature Model - Trans Red
1996 Peavey EVH Wolfgang 'Patent Pending' Standard - Black
1997 EBMM Luke I - Pearl Blue
2012 Suhr Modern Koa - Reb Beach Spec
Yamaha Pacifica 1611 Mike Stern Signature

Hit me up if you have a Ripley to sell :thumbs

shwayman11
Kramer Maniac
Posts: 174
Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:01 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by shwayman11 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:22 pm

I'd guess that's most likely a ESP VH-250 https://alienxnation.com/vintage-1980s- ... t-5150-evh

That said, the Gibson-branded pickup makes me think Music Yo-era Kramer 1984.

User avatar
SWANTECH
Kramer Kingpin
Posts: 3679
Joined: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:00 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by SWANTECH » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:13 pm

IIRC.
Gibson made the Music Yo 1984 in a flat white finish so people could copy an EVH finish if they wanted to.

I have seen some Kramer Japanese made, 5150 striped looking guitars without the 5150 numbers and they were all a gloss finish, and slanted single humbucking pickup. My memory is foggy but I seem to remember these were very short lived because EVH put the squash on that really fast.

I have very little knowledge of the Music Yo 1984 model guitars. So I could be really wrong in thinking this is a 1984 Music Yo painted to emulate the EVH guitars. It does not however resemble the 1980's Japan made Kramer's EVH striped guitars that I have seen.
Joe in Detroit
85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle Blue
88 Nigthswan Bolt/Ugly Duckling rescue project
19 Nightswan Polka Dot reissue
86 Classic III Tele Cream
90 Classic II Tele Cream
90 ProAxe Std CR
89 Sustainer Holo
89 Sustainer Blk
86 Focus 1000 Blk (FS)
90's Spector SSD Blackhawk
89 Glide C2 Blk
8? Focus Classic Snbst
87 Monsters of Rock Baretta 2
87 Pacer Cst 1 Relic
91 Baretta 3 Black Cherry
88 EE Pro 1 White/Rainbow
89 Grace C1 Flip Flop Something
01 Music Yo Imperial/Explorer
89 Baretta 2 Flip Flop Red FS

shwayman11
Kramer Maniac
Posts: 174
Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:01 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by shwayman11 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:44 pm

Looking at it more, it's most likely that ESP I linked above or something assembled from parts. The tuners are wrong for the 1984 (should be Schaller M6Ls), Floyd posts are wrong (should be the more modern allen-style bushings), and the neckplate is wrong (should say "Kramer 1984.")

Do you feel anything under the paint on the back of the headstock? A Yo-era 1984 will have a serial number stamped into the back of the headstock just like Gibson. It'll also have holes from the Floyd allen wrench holder.

Do you have a full shot of the guitar put together?

BGSU1989
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by BGSU1989 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:23 pm

Thanks for the input.

Johnny from AlienNation was kind enough to confirm that it is an ESP made in Japan Kramer VH-250.

I don't have it together yet. I'm currently looking for a period correct JBJ pickup.

User avatar
SWANTECH
Kramer Kingpin
Posts: 3679
Joined: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:00 pm

Re: Possible early 5150 Production

Post by SWANTECH » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:53 pm

I am no expert on this particular guitar.
I also am not someone who isn't an expert, but has anointed himself to be a Sensei. LOL.
Grain of salt my friend. People who proclaim they know every thing often are the least knowledgeable.

The last time I saw a supposed ESP Kramer 5150 style guitar from Japan that was supposed to be authentic and made by ESP in the 1980's for the Japan market. It had a really nice strip job and had a clear coat on it. I think I read somewhere that was one of the clues to finding one. They looked too nice. I cannot remember where I saw that info so I might be completely wrong.

As for striped EVH look a like guitars. There a hundreds of people who make these copies, and there are thousands of copies of any of his striped guitars. Some are absolutely amazing in quality and detail.
Heck I own a copy that is a mirror image of an EVH striped guitar.
I wouldn't bet money on that being an ESP without more proof. Even if it is a copy who cares. Play it, enjoy it, rock out.
I definitely would not take AN's word for it. And that is about as nice as I can say that.

Looks like a cool guitar. Put it together and let us see pic's. Rock out on it and don't sweat where it came from.
Joe in Detroit
85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle Blue
88 Nigthswan Bolt/Ugly Duckling rescue project
19 Nightswan Polka Dot reissue
86 Classic III Tele Cream
90 Classic II Tele Cream
90 ProAxe Std CR
89 Sustainer Holo
89 Sustainer Blk
86 Focus 1000 Blk (FS)
90's Spector SSD Blackhawk
89 Glide C2 Blk
8? Focus Classic Snbst
87 Monsters of Rock Baretta 2
87 Pacer Cst 1 Relic
91 Baretta 3 Black Cherry
88 EE Pro 1 White/Rainbow
89 Grace C1 Flip Flop Something
01 Music Yo Imperial/Explorer
89 Baretta 2 Flip Flop Red FS

Post Reply