Looking for ID help!

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Wiredude
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Looking for ID help!

Post by Wiredude » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:29 pm

Hi all, new guy here. Looking for some identification help/information on a guitar that I've owned for well, 30+ years now.
I have a Kramer "610" that I bought used back in around '92.
serial # SF 6269 on the neck plate, along with a "Made in Korea" tag pinched under the plate as well.
I've struggled to find solid info on this model, along with the date range, as there seems to be mixxed information out there.
According to some sources, the 610 replaced the ST600 around '87 or '88. But I've also seen things that say that the black, pointy headstock with the big gold logo indicates as early as '85, and that these were often US necks sent to the Korean plants for assembly.
I've also heard that the "Designed by Semour Duncan" stamped p'up covers indicate an earlier date as well.
Anyone give me some solid info on this guitar?

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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by Wiredude » Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:15 pm

So poking around here and VintageKramer.com, I did manage to finally find info on the 610 model. But anyone have anything in regards to the rumors I've heard about them being US built necks, etc?

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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by Kramers » Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:42 pm

Welcome! Solely rumors. VK is pretty accurate though. :thumbs
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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by 80sChris » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:26 am

Wiredude wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:15 pm So poking around here and VintageKramer.com, I did manage to finally find info on the 610 model. But anyone have anything in regards to the rumors I've heard about them being US built necks, etc?
There weren't really any US built necks once manufacture shifted to ESP in Japan. Some Korean guitars, like the 220 hundred series for example, do have very Japanese looking necks on them though.

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Post by _xxx_ » Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:12 pm

No volute on any of them, so obviously not what was used in "American" models or even Focus. Those were made with better woods than Striker though, so quite usable except for the crappy pickups.

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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by 80sChris » Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:23 pm

Hundred series 220s had volutes like I was saying above.

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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by Wiredude » Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:38 pm

Well, regardless of where it was made the neck on this 610 feels really nice to play.
I've also confirmed that it's a full wood body, not plywood.
I think at this point I'm probably just going to upgrade the p'ups (seriously thinking about the EMG SA/SA/81 set), and maybe upgrading the bridge over the Floyd II.

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Post by PacerMedic » Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:43 pm

Pickups, and a bridge upgrade will right the wrongs of the 610 series. EMG's are a good call. Active pickups don't really rely on the wood or the resonance of the guitar; they just sound hot, which is good for the Striker. Anything will be an upgrade over the Floyd II, and while the EMG kit will have new pots, also consider switches and a new jack in your plans and you should have a pretty solid guitar.
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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by Kramers » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:55 pm

If the FRII is the locking variety, that's not a terrible trem imo, especially with EMGs.

I've never done the switch, but something to maybe think about is the clearance of the longer locking bolts on an OFR in your FRII sized recess. Just some food for thought.
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Re: Looking for ID help!

Post by 80sChris » Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:14 pm

Nothing wrong with a double locking Floyd Rose II.

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