Need Help. I have a Strange Baretta.

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Post by SWANTECH » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:10 pm

A question for some experts. Need help.
I just bought a chrome F plate Baretta 1, in flip flop white, serial #F22**. It is being shipped to me, I should get it this week. This guitar is a little strange because it has the small Block 3D Kramer logo. It has the lower horn scoop. So I think it is an early 1987. It is also odd that it has a matching head stock in flip flop white color. The prior owner states he bought it years ago as a matching body and neck from someone on this forum?
Most of the hardware is NOT original. I have all the parts to make it more original. I have an original Floyd, Schaller tuners, an old JB, Barreta T rod cover, and original style pickup ring.
Kramer did so much crazy stuff.
Could this guitar be original? OR. Is it a MUTT?
What do you folks think?
It is a cool guitar I plan on restoring and selling. So I want to be as honest as possible when I list it for sale later this month.
Also. Strange that the trem back plate has NO mounting holes drilled.
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Post by Full Crib » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm

Headstock appears to be refinned and relogoed. Looks like a bit of orange peel at the K and I can see the edge of the waterslide. To be period correct, should have used the big K/little r logo.

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Post by SWANTECH » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:12 pm

Full Crib wrote:Headstock appears to be refinned and relogoed. Looks like a bit of orange peel at the K and I can see the edge of the waterslide. To be period correct, should have used the big K/little r logo.
That was my thinking also. When I get it I will tear it down and give it a good look.
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Post by sixstring » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:40 pm

Looks like the HS & body were painted.
But let's face it, someone buys a Kramer b/c it has a Floyd.

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Post by Dirty D » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:11 am

I am pretty certain that is a fire sale neck plate. They sold boxes and boxes of those at the fire sales, and I believe that serial number was not one that was assembled into a guitar before the original Kramer factory stopped production. So that would seem to lend further support to the repainted parts mutt theory.
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Post by Dirty D » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:16 am

and what are those blemishes behind the neck plate sticking out to the right?
SO many projects, so little time!

Classic II red Tele
a few other sweet ones!!
some lumies & Spectors
buncha projects that'll eventually get done
some that won't
Bastards:
Ed Sheeran Sig Martin, 1st ed.
Billie Joe Armstrong Gibson LP Jr, 1st year

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Post by KickstartMyHeart » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:15 am

That´s a re-logoed mutt. I´ve seen it around the old place a couple years ago. Just don´t remember the context. Still a great Retta :headbang .
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Post by 2112 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:30 am

Was mine a few years back. Nothing original. Had a Gotoh trem on it when I had it.

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Post by SWANTECH » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:04 pm

2112 wrote:Was mine a few years back. Nothing original. Had a Gotoh trem on it when I had it.
Any more info you can give?
Was neck and body always together? Or is this purely a parts mutt?
I haven't got this yet.
I am kind of P'O'd that the ebay seller did not disclose this in his description.
If the body and neck are good. I can make it a player.
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Post by 2112 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:24 am

I bought it from another member of the forum. It had a maple R5 neck on it at the time, as well as a Gotoh trem. If I remember correctly, I just sold the body, but really can't remember. Actually, I wish I would have kept the body.

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