Sustainer production question

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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by lonewolfsx » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:39 am

SWANTECH wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 pm
US4907483A
InventorFloyd D. RoseSteven M. MooreRichard W. Knotts

1988-05-27
Priority to US07/199,851
1988-05-27
Application filed by Rose Floyd D, Moore Steven M, Knotts Richard W
I figured you were on to something with that though, I just couldn't find the right one. Good call for sure - May of 1988. Plus some time for production and such, so maybe late 88 or early 89.

I know it was approved as late as 1990 but they were definitely selling sustainers before '90, that we know for sure (or everyone had a collective forgetful blonde moment) shrug

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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by SWANTECH » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:46 am

I think your right.
I think they released it at Namm in Jan of 1989. With production starting some time after Applying for the patent. Once the patent is applied for and the patent office receives the application they can start building and be protected.

My early Sustainer guitar also doesn't say Sustainer on the pickup. I think the Claw neck, Sustainer logo on the pickup, battery route, and green light came on the later ones.

I remember going into a shop that had one when they first came out. The shop had the thing on and it was just sustaining. I think I remember the shop had it tagged at around $1,200.00.
That was astounding to me back then. I could barley scrape up enough money together for guitar strings, cigarettes, and gas money back then. I mean that was back when Minimum wage was just $4.24 an hour.
F#@K these threads always seem to make me feel old.
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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by Tortfeaser » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:45 am

SWANTECH wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:39 pm
Does anyone remember what magazine and what issue this ad first appeared?

Now I am curious.

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Kramer gave Sustainers a push for a year. They went as far as co-sponsoring a contest with Guitar For The Practicing Musician magazine. I remember when a friend brought home a white one from college, we all drooled over it.

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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by 88PCII » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:21 am

My first sustainer appears to be original, F82xx, no battery cavity, electronic board version 1, neck with 12th fret logo... bought it from a pawn shop...
Second one has battery cavity, electronic board version 2 and sustainer driver pickup with floyd rose logo....

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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by wizball » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:09 am

All interesting info, I've owned both versions & my best guess is first produced late '88 :thumbs
'85 Retta, Black
'86 Retta, White
'86 F1000, Holoflash, non tilt nanner
'88 Retta I, White, maple board
'88 Retta I, White, reverse headstock
'88 Sustainer mutt, Champagne
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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by Dirty D » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:19 pm

Floyd should have patented that mullet!
SO many projects, so little time!

Classic II red Tele
a few other sweet ones!!
some lumies & Spectors
buncha projects that'll eventually get done
some that won't
Bastards:
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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by LhKramerLunatic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:47 pm

Dirty D wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:19 pm
Floyd should have patented that mullet!
dielaughing :not


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Re: Sustainer production question

Post by SWANTECH » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:56 pm

I would pay for that hair now.
Never thought something I had so much of, would be so sparse now.
F it.
Fat, old, balding, married, and alive.
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85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle Blue
88 Nigthswan Bolt/Ugly Duckling project
19 Nightswan Polka Dot reissue
90 Classic II Tele Cream
90 ProAxe Std CR
87 Ripley Blk
89 Sustainer Blk
86 Focus 1000 Blk (FS)
90's SSD Blackhawk
89 Glide C2 Blk
8? Focus Classic Snbst
87 Monster Retta 2
87 Pacer Cst 1 Relic

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