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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:35 pm 
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Very cool!

It could also be an old Charvel made Dimarzio body. There will be a stamp in the neck pocket if so.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Good info folks.
When I get it I will take detailed photo's and post them. I will also see if I can contact Kline.
I bought this thinking it was most likely a parts mutt.
So this doesn't bother me. I bought it mostly because it is a rare Kline.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:46 pm 
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Looking at this more, I find the pup placement wrong. Too far away from the bridge. Volume knob seems off a smidge.
This is my model 2 body with mightymite neck.

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Don’t think it’s a vintage body IMO. Art work is copied? shrug
Still a kick-ass axe!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:59 pm 
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I think the Kline signature is real. I have owned a few over the years. I will take better pictures when I get it. I will also try to contact Kline.
I will measure the distances from the bridge to the Floyd when I get it. Maybe I can compare it to your guitar.
It might not be a Model 2 body.
Maybe a different model Charvel body. The rear routing is definitely Charvel.
HMMMM. The Mystery continues.

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85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle BL
90 ProAxe Std CR
87 Ripley Blk
89 Sustainer Blk
84 Baretta BLK
84 Baretta CR
85 Baretta CR
86 Baretta Cream
86 Focus 1000 Blk


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:18 pm 
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You guys are awesome. You really know your Kramers. A complete other league.

I would look at it, and just say that it looks like a kick ass guitar, how does it play?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:05 pm 
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After some more investigation.

It seems that the 1987 Charvel Model 2.
Has a recessed tremolo cover plate on the back.
It also has the Jackson JT6 Floyd Rose style tremolo. The pickup routing looks to be close to the tremolo.
The volume knob seems to be located centered to the bridge pickup, adjacent to the pickup hieght adjustment screw.

On a 1986 Charvel Model 2.
Has NO recessed tremolo cover on the back, only the electronics cover is recessed.
It has the Kahler Fulcrum Black Tremolo Bridge. This bridge sits further away from the pickup routing. However, the posts are located closer together than a Floyd Rose. These post holes could be filled though. They would have to have been to install a Floyd Rose.
I will have to investigate this to see if there is any sign of that being done.
Also. Pictures of 1986 versions seem to show the volume knob is slightly lower than the bridge pickup height adjustment screw.

Older San Dimas bodies are like this body. They are usually routed for a Strat style tremolo though.

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85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle BL
90 ProAxe Std CR
87 Ripley Blk
89 Sustainer Blk
84 Baretta BLK
84 Baretta CR
85 Baretta CR
86 Baretta Cream
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:58 pm 
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Hey, first off, congrats, nice guitar. Hopefully plays as good as it looks!
I have owned many Charvel Guitars, and many model series. I do not believe this to be a model series guitar body. Both rear cavities should be recessed, it appears that only the electronics is. Maybe they both are and I can’t see in the picture. Anyway, the cavities also look a bit off in terms of placement. As previously noted, the routes in the front look off as well. Hardware means nothing, bc it could be easily switched, but in this case they would have changed everything. The strap pins Charvel used were the wide ones, volume knob should be knurled Metal, neck plate switched out, etc. They came with the crappy Trem, so there would have been more work needed to put in a Floyd, which you should be able to see.
I have never seen a Charvel neck like that either. (Neck looks sick btw - hopefully it’s a nice thin c profile) I’m actually really impressed with everyone here’s knowledge of Charvels. They are correct about the 12th fret placement, the rounded vs square fretboard. It looks similar to the newer custom shop Charvel necks, but those wouldn’t have the Jackson tuners or the rear Floyd nut mount (in most cases). Most of those necks have the truss rod adjust at the heel unless it is very new (pain to pull off the neck all the time) Also, I don’t think the custom shop usually uses walnut for the skunk stripe. The only non custom shop necks that used Birdseye are the 24 fret 1990s San Dimas 2 models or the Guthrie Govan, which doesn’t have the Floyd locking nut as he prefers non fine tuner Floyd.
In any case, you have a very cool, unique guitar. Hope you enjoy it!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm 
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I’m learning new things here about Charvels too! I must have missed your last post, just read through and then did an internet search and you are correct in that in 86, they did not recess the Trem cavity. I didn’t know that! The placement of the cavities still seems off to me though.
You will know all the answers once you receive the guitar. One other thing about the model series is they are the heaviest basswood guitars I have ever picked up. I’ve owned 2 model 4’s and and a model 1, and all of them were very heavy guitars, especially so for a basswood body.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm 
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Yep those model series basswood bodies are fukn heavy.
I think they injected lead into them! :whistle

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:56 pm 
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UPS Tracker tells me it should arrive on Tuesday. So I will update this thread as soon as I get it.
It is hard to wait.
I am anxious to investigate this thing. When it was for sale I could zoom in on the signature. It definitely looked like it was a REAL Kline sig, with the date 1989.
Of course, if it is a real Kline art work, it means the body is a 1989 body or older.
I am hoping it is a Dimarzio, Boogie, or San Dimas body.

Then the question would be.
Do I find a correct era neck, neck plate, and other parts for it?
Or.
F'it. Leave it as is.

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85 Striker 100ST Blk (1st E. Guitar)
88 Nightswan Sparkle BL
90 ProAxe Std CR
87 Ripley Blk
89 Sustainer Blk
84 Baretta BLK
84 Baretta CR
85 Baretta CR
86 Baretta Cream
86 Focus 1000 Blk


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